posted by Shreela (from Houston) on 11/13 at 07:16
I'm going to have to rely on my memory to report the situation about my question, because I can't get the history to show where the checkers are.
So I was waiting to see if my opponent would double on me, but since they didn't, I resigned as soon as I beared one checker off, because I was VERY behind.
So shouldn't that be worth 1 pt to my opponent since there were no doubles?
There is one area I'm not so sure about: my last move was 1. to move the last checker into home, 2. bear off at least one checker. Then that's when I clicked on the resign button. I did NOT click on the SEND button. So maybe the game thinks I resigned before I had any checkers beard off at all.
BUT if that's what happened, then why would that be worth 2 pts instead of 3? One thing I was able to tell from the game history is that before I resigned, my opponent had 1 pt, but after resigning they had 4.
I am still somewhat new to doubling, but I've resigned quite a few normal games, as well as gammons, at DailyGammon and the points are awarded as 1=normal, 2=gammon, 3=backgammon multiplied times cube if applicable. But it's the first time I've resigned a game HERE. So thanks if anyone can explain what I missed.
We follow the standard match scoring, which is pretty much what you described: One point for a normal win, two points for a gammon, three points for a backgammon. A gammon is when you bear off all of your checkers before your opponent bears off any of theirs; a backgammon is when you bear off all of your checkers when your opponent still has a checker in your "home" (inner table). One wrinkle that sometimes catches people by surprise is that it's still a backgammmon if you opponent has checkers left in your home even if they've borne one off (an unusual, but entirely possible, situation).
So in the situation you describe, unless you had checkers in your opponent's home when you resigned, it should have scored a normal win, because you had borne off one of your checkers before resigning (the game is smart enough to realize you've done that, even if you bear off and resign in the same move).
If you'll drop us a private note via the Contact Us link telling us which game it is and whether you use Java or non-Java (WebTV) games, we'll take a look so we can tell you what happened.
I'm confused about what you said about not being able to see all of the game history -- when you click the Show Game History link underneath the game, it should show all of the history (with long matches, it can take a while to download).
Hope this helps! -- T.J. Crowder First Primate Pocket Monkey
Re: Re: resign normal game (no cube) worth 3 pts?
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posted by Shreela (from Houston) on 11/13 at 19:10
Hi T.J.
I use the contact form with the game # and more details about how I tried going through the history, my browsers/java stuff, ect....
I didn't know about the 'wrinkle':
"One wrinkle that sometimes catches people by surprise is that it's still a backgammmon if you opponent has checkers left in your home even if they've borne one off (an unusual, but entirely possible, situation)."
BUT, since I can't see my checker positions, I can't say if 'the wrinkle' is what happened LOL
Re: Re: Re: resign normal game (no cube) worth 3 pts?
Glad I check out the forums! I'm also shocked! I've played backgammon more than forty years without encountering this situation or this rule. Certainly, I always thought I was immune from backgammon after bearing off a checker. I'm now curious about the symmetry or lack of it in the rules. I believe I have encountered a situation where I or an opponent had a checker outside the home board at game end after having beared off a checker. By symmetry, would that be a gammon? or is the player immune from gammon and only at risk for backgammon?
Re: Re: Re: resign normal game (no cube) worth 3 pts?
I'm guessing you're talking about this part of the message:
One wrinkle that sometimes catches people by surprise is that it's still a backgammmon if you opponent has checkers left in your home even if they've borne one off (an unusual, but entirely possible, situation).
My original reference for this rule (which I found credible at the time) said that it was only the backgammon which was still possible in this situation, not the gammon.
But with regard to this: I've had a couple of players of some standing in the game tell me that this was not a rule they were aware of, and so I corresponded with the president of the Worldwide Backgammon Federation about it. He said that he was not aware of any such rule, that once a piece was off the board a player was immune to both gammon and backgammon. I figure if he doesn't know this rule, it probably isn't in widespread use. (Remember that with only a very few exceptions -- games invented fairly recently -- games don't have hard-and-fast rules, there are just the rules which are most commonly used.)
So we're planning to change our Backgammon implementation during the next substantial site update so that it doesn't count that situation as a backgammon. As I say, I had a credible source for it, but I can't find that source now and in any case, clearly it isn't a rule in widespread use. :-) -- T.J. Crowder First Primate Pocket-Monkey.com
Re: Re: Re: Re: resign normal game (no cube) worth 3 pts?
I probably should have mentioned that that rule is not what happened in the game the person who started this thread was originally writing about; it was a different problem entirely.
-- T.J. :-)
Re: resign normal game (no cube) worth 3 pts?
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posted by RedBaron (Will C. Crowder) on 06/09 at 20:00
T.J. (T.J. Crowder) wrote:
I probably should have mentioned that that rule is not what happened in the game the person who started this thread was originally writing about; it was a different problem entirely.
Well, do tell! :-) What was the problem and is it a problem/bug/issue that we BG players need to be aware of?
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