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 tournament time limit question Message #2392    Replies: 1
posted by macoan (BIG BAD WOLF) on 06/06 at 15:22
I'm sure it's working correctly, but I'm not understanding it - or I'm missing something - or something.

The fast tournaments start out with a hard limit of 1 day, but you for moving early, you earn 1/2 hour for every hour you move early. So if I move right away after my opponenet, I would think I would earn about 12 hours (or 11.5 hours depending if the results are rounded.)

But yet, each time that game comes back to me, it still shows the move must be made exactly 1 day from when the other move was done.

So ??????? Does that mean there is "hidden" grace time if I were to let those games go past the 1 day which is shown on the main page? .... or am I missing something.

Oh, and great job on getting tournaments to the site!
 
 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2395    Replies: 1
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 06/06 at 18:04
macoan (BIG BAD WOLF) wrote:
Oh, and great job on getting tournaments to the site!
Thanks!
So if I move right away after my opponenet, I would think I would earn about 12 hours (or 11.5 hours depending if the results are rounded.)
Yup, just barely less than 12 hours.
But yet, each time that game comes back to me, it still shows the move must be made exactly 1 day from when the other move was done.
The "must move by" column shows the point at which the game will reach the main time limit, after which it will start eating into your grace time for that game. We show the main limit on that page because that's the one that you should usually go by. So for tournament games, really that column should probably be "should move by".

So how do you tell how much grace time you have saved up in a game and when you really absolutely must move by? Erm, well, um, right now you can't. :-) We're working on ways to display that information, perhaps as an option on the Current Games page.

Enjoy your games,
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T.J. Crowder
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 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2404    Replies: 1
posted by macoan (BIG BAD WOLF) on 06/06 at 20:05
OK, I guess I'm just use to how some other turn based sites do it.

And that is it will take the main time limit and add the "grace" time limit, then show whatever is smaller (main+grace or hard limit) - and show that as how much time you have to make a move before time out.

So in about a couple of days you will have the first person asking why someone has negative time left - which in reality they are using the (currently) invisable grace time. :-)

.... And yes, love tournaments. I was barely playing on this site until I heard you were getting tournaments, now I'm here every day again!
     
 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2408    Replies: 4
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 06/06 at 20:24
Yeah, I know what you mean. There was an underlying technical reason for using the main limit instead of the actual expiration time at one point, but I got rid of that (it was unworkable for other reasons) before we even got to the testing stage. Just didn't update the display.

All: Given that the column shown on the Current Games page says "Must Move By", I think I should change it to show the real drop-dead time. What do you think?

Thanks,
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T.J. Crowder
First Primate
Pocket-Monkey.com

       
 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2409    Replies: 0
posted by macoan (BIG BAD WOLF) on 06/06 at 20:31
I like the idea of seeing the exact amount of time I have left in a game. Sometimes if I'm in a real hurry, I'll come to the websites and just play games I need to so I don't time out, and then come back later to play the rest - so I know I would like to see how much time I have left.
       
 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2410    Replies: 0
posted by andyspud (Andy) on 06/06 at 20:33
I like that idea - I say change it to show the actual time the game times out [soft limit + grace].
       
 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2416    Replies: 1
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 06/06 at 21:25
Yeah, it's pretty hard to argue this the other way, isn't it? :-)

Andy: Of course that would be [soft limit + grace] or [hard limit], whichever is sooner. All the grace time in the world won't take you past the hard limit.

-- T.J. :-)
         
 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2417    Replies: 0
posted by andyspud (Andy) on 06/06 at 21:32
Yeah, thats what I meant. The actual time at which the game will time out with the soft limit, grace time and hard limit all taken into account.
       
 Re: tournament time limit question Message #2436    Replies: 0
posted by niloc (Colin Palmer) on 06/07 at 10:30
All: Given that the column shown on the Current Games page says "Must Move By", I think I should change it to show the real drop-dead time. What do you think?


This would be great
 We will change it Message #2461    Replies: 2
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 06/08 at 07:49
We'll definitely change this, both on the Your Turn list and also on the Their Turn list -- as someone pointed out to me this morning, from her list it looks like some of her opponents should have timed out this morning (where in fact they're now eating into their grace time).

Sorry for the hassle!
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T.J. Crowder
First Primate
Pocket-Monkey.com

 
 Re: We will change it Message #2466    Replies: 0
posted by niloc (Colin Palmer) on 06/08 at 16:35
No worries. You have done great job, and you are getting these minor niggles sorted.

Well Done
 
 Re: We will change it Message #2514    Replies: 0
posted by Sesio (Bert) on 06/11 at 08:49
I have full confidence you will make this work so we can see the real time we have per game.
Great job and keep it up, I'm getting more fun on PM every day.
 "Must Move By" Updated! Message #2576    Replies: 0
posted by T.J. (T.J. Crowder) on 06/13 at 09:09
Hi folks,

In line with the discussion in this thread, in the update last night we changed the "must move by" column to show the actual expiration of the game (allowing for grace time), not the main limit. Announcement here.

Thanks!
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T.J. Crowder
First Primate
Pocket-Monkey.com

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